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[typisch]

Life is ok.

Becky has been here again, and very very lovely it is too. I am much happier for having seen her as always :) I do however need sleep after a certain someone kept me up all last night :p

But but Becky made me breakfast in bed :D

(She's so sweet)

Uhm, there is a weird war film on tv.

I have no money :( Having to pay two lots of rent out of a single pay packet hurts lots. I think I have a fiver until thursday, and have to hope nothing comes out of my account. *sigh*

I was upset by that anonymous troll replying to my last post. Ok so (s)he was obviously a spineless arsehole afraid to put a name to their opinions, but things like that do still hurt a little.. *shrug* I don't want to make my journal limited to LJ users just yet, but I guess I'll have to eventually if this keeps on. (As an aside, what kind of person from the UK calls someone a 'tool'? I mean, really)

Um, that's it. :)

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[ex-kris426.livejournal.com]

*bows head*

sorry nelly.

i promise never to do it again.

*twiddles hair*
*sucks thumb*

[typical.livejournal.com]

It was you being cute that kept me up all last night, stoppit :pp

*giggle*

do it again whenever you like ;pp

[(Anonymous)]

1. some people don't have livejournal accounts

2. good.

3. tool is a stupid word for a stupid person

[typical.livejournal.com]

1. Anyone worthwhile who's not a cowardly fuckwit could get one

2. You're so sad.

3. No, tool is a stupid word used by a stupid person. See that fat book on the shelf you've never used? That's a dictionary. Maybe next to it there's a thesaurus? You can tell because it's a book with the word 'thesaurus' on it. Next time you're looking for a descriptive word and don't want to sound like your vocabulary has evolved entirely from trashy american pop, try having a look.

This is amusing me, anyway, so I'm going to let you post some more. Doesn't it feel good that at any moment I could just cut you off entirely?

By the way, congratulations on counting to three.

[(Anonymous)]

oh how wonderful, it rises to the bait too ;)

if I am being so childish by pointing out the misguided impressions many people seem to have of you, then you are being equally childish trying to prevent such romours from coming to light.

are you so scared that I am right?

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like someone knows you.

I'm not quite sure why people are cowardly just because they don't get a Livejournal solely to post something in someone else's journal. Surely doing that is rather stupid? And it doesn't somehow automatically deem their point invalid. If you have such a problem with anon postings, turn them off.

Also, not quite sure who decided "tool" was a "stupid word for a stupid person" whilst "sad" is perfectly acceptable.

Regards, Another Anonymous Poster

[(Anonymous)]

oooh! finally someone who is not swayed by this mans powers of deception! There is hope for humanity yet!

[typical.livejournal.com]

The funny thing about posting anonymously.. you might as well be the same person as the original poster. You probably are.

People have managed to get livejournal accounts to post comments easily enough in the past. Of course, to be taken seriously there is a nice alternative - signing your name.

And I'm sorry, but from where I'm sitting it does deem your point very nicely invalid. If you don't have the courage to give your name with your point, and let people decide what other agenda you might have, your point is essentially worthless. But good for a laugh.

[(Anonymous)]

If you think I'm the same person, then good for you. It's not actually true, but never mind.

Why does signing my name automatically deem my points valid when before they were not? Why does it mean I'm all of a sudden taken seriously? Would you change your mind just because I signed my name at the bottom? Rather interesting way of looking at it. Or could it be that I don't fawn over you? I rather think you'd not dismiss anonymous comments if they were praising you and your every move.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they have agendas. And neither should you dismiss them as 'good for laugh'. I can't quite see how they are. They are rather sensible points and if you're going to try and ridicule them and show you don't have an answer to them, it leaves you open to be laughed at. If all you want are comments about how fantastic you are then fine, have such a censored journal. It is after all your own. I don't particularily have an agenda, but if you want to be all paranoid and think that, be my guest.

Regards, AAP

[typical.livejournal.com]

But it doesn't matter what I think.. only what other people reading this think.

Everyone has an agenda. Particularly people who comment on livejournals. Otherwise they just wouldn't go to the effort. Whether it's to make their views known, or to attack someone or something, or whatever. But by hiding behind anonymity, you force the comments to be taken at face value - that is, that someone is too frightened of what they are saying being linked to them.

If someone had said what has been said anonymously, but put their name, I would make an effort to answer thoughtfully. If you want to make these points and have the courage to say who you are, I will happily discuss them. But I will not discuss anything of substance with people who hide behind anonymity to slag me off.

There is a bundle of contact detail for me here. People can ask me about things, check things, make up their own minds about why I think the things I do. You don't give them that opportunity. That is why you shouldn't be taken seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

If my comments are to be taken at face value, then great. That is what I want. I rather think you've misused the term there, don't you?

You're the one who's hiding behind my anonymity and using it as an excuse to ignore my points. What is the point of me getting a journal? Would the fact that I had xxxx.livejournal.com as an empty page and a meaningless name make you happy? If so, why? It appears to be a rather convenient excuse. I am not slagging you off. If I wanted to do that, I'd do a far better job of it. I am making points which you are singularily failing to answer. Again, I repeat, I imagine you'd take someone who said something nice to you seriously, if even they commited the heinous crime of not having a journal.

Regards, AAP

[typical.livejournal.com]

No, I don't think I've misused it.

I don't see any points that I've failed to answer. The only thing that you (AAP) has asked is about the anonymity, which I have answered. If of course that is an admission you are the other person after all, fine.

Oh, and the only people who have ever said anything nice about me and posted anonymously, have signed their names at the end. Odd that, isn't it? Do check, if you like.

But tell you what. Why not put your points down here, say as a list, and I'll think about responding to them? If you can get the courage to sign your name, I definately will. But I know you'll turn that challenge down, won't you?

[(Anonymous)]

This is getting rather long and rather circular. Hmm.

I think you have. 'Face value' is the true value of something, which is exactly what I want.
I don't want my opinions to be influenced by who I am, whether in a good or bad way.

I'm not the other person, as I've said. That other person seems to have rather a big
grievance with you hence my 'looks like someone knows you' comment. I don't know you and my
only point in this whole thread is the way you dismiss people who disagree with you or
post anonymously. I would have thought the difference in the writing style would be apparent.
Of course, it could be me trying to be clever and making you think it's two people when it's
one, but if it was I wouldn't say this. Or would I? Ooh. Double bluffing, how exciting.

I digress.

You keep trying to say I'm a coward just because I don't tell you who I am. Why are you so
transfixed on who I am and not what I'm saying? It is a very convenient excuse. If I was to
say something encouraging like 'why not join a rugby/rowing/whatever club in London, it's a great
way to meet friends and/or occupy your time so you're not so lonely?', would you be calling
me a coward? No, I doubt you would. You'd say 'thank you' and pretty much leave it at that.
I'm not meaning to be discouraging, I just dispute with what you're saying. As I said, if I
had a problem with you, I'd take the approach of the other poster. What good would it do if I left my name and EMail address? If I said I was Tony or Brian or Darren, why would that make such a difference to you? Why am I all of a sudden taken seriously? Why am I no longer a coward when I put down a meaningless name on my posts? You don't know me so why is knowing my name of any use to you? I don't know you and your name is of no use to me. I don't care who you are or what your name is, I disagree with you. Especially as you still have anonymous posting enabled. (more...)

[(Anonymous)]

(...continued)

And people who leave their names on the end of your 'positive posts' aren't being anonymous,
are they?

However, as you want my points in a list, here you are:

Why is someone who posts anonymously a coward?

Why is what someone who posts anonymously 'good for a laugh'?

Why is someone who posts anonymously not taken seriously?

Why is what someone who posts anonymously says deemed invalid? You claim that I'd have an agenda if I didn't leave my name. Why? Just because I've not said how wonderful you are doesn't mean I have an agenda. I have no agenda, I don't know you from Adam, I am making a point.

Why if someone has a journal and gives you their name and Email address, do they stop being
cowardly?

If I did 'take your challenge' and evidently prove my masculinity and leave you a name, how would you know it was my real name? And what would you do with it exactly? Nothing, because it's worthless to you.

Regards, AAP

[typical.livejournal.com]

Indeed, face value is the true, immediately apparent value of something. The first thing any reader would see would be would be 'Anonymous'. I would say that immediately sets the value of your comments.

Evidently we disagree on what value anonymous postings have - I have already answered your points, but because you were not prepared to accept the answers, you accuse me of failing to answer. No wonder this is becoming circular. So, for your benefit, I will answer them again, more verbosely.

Why is someone who posts anonymously a coward?
Because it indicates that they do not have the courage to stand by their views in public, but rather can only snipe from the safety of anonymity. In fact, the 'other poster' made my point for me, upon saying they didn't want their views to "make [them] an outcast". That strikes me as cowardly. Perhaps it does not to you, but as always, I post here for other people to make up their own mind about me.

Why is what someone who posts anonymously 'good for a laugh'?
Because there is no other decent response to it. In fact, very little has been alleged against me here, but vague hand-waving and the subtext I am a 'bad person'. Well so be it. Once again, I think the people reading this have the intelligence to make up their own minds based on the evidence available - except of course, in this case, I believe no evidence has been offered - just vague hand-waving. That is what I describe as 'good for a laugh'. It is a sort of playground name-calling, done from the safety of anonymity.

Why is someone who posts anonymously not taken seriously?
What right do they have to be taken seriously? I go to great lengths to be transparent about my life. People can, as I keep pointing out, contact me at any point to ask me for clarification of what I say or what I think about someone or something. Someone who posts anonymously is not prepared to do that. They enjoy the power they get posting anonymously, not having to take any responsibility for their own views or comments.

Why is what someone who posts anonymously says deemed invalid?
See above. It indicates a lack of belief or of being prepared to take responsibility for their comments.

You claim that I'd have an agenda if I didn't leave my name.
I claimed that everyone has an agenda. I have an agenda both in replying to this post, and writing this journal in the first place. You clearly have an agenda in commenting, because otherwise you wouldn't comment. So yes, you have an agenda whether or not you leave your name - but the fact you didn't gives a strong indication of what that agenda might be. Again, I'm prepared to let the people reading this make up their own minds. (That is, if anyone still cares)

Why? Just because I've not said how wonderful you are doesn't mean I have an agenda. I have no agenda, I don't know you from Adam, I am making a point.
Then you have an agenda. Simple. You clearly do know me from Adam, if you read my journal. Of course, the other possibility is you were brought in by the 'other poster' as backup. Perhaps I do not know you, but you know plenty about me from what I post here. That indeed is a secondary intention of this journal - the first being a space for me to record my thoughts and feelings. Please don't be disingenuous about this. You yourself identify interests of mine, so please don't claim you are coming from some 'blank slate'. You aren't.

Why if someone has a journal and gives you their name and Email address, do they stop being
cowardly?
Because they allow themselves to be challenged about their views, and show themselves to have the confidence to stand by the words they write. As I said, these anonymous comments are the LJ equivalent of graffiti. Like someone running into a cinema, shouting "fire!" and running away again into the night.

[typical.livejournal.com]

If I did 'take your challenge' and evidently prove my masculinity and leave you a name, how would you know it was my real name? And what would you do with it exactly? Nothing, because it's worthless to you.
Perhaps. It could yield an email address upon which you could be challenged privately - either by me, or by someone else reading this who wanted to know more about your views. It would indicate some level of wanting to have a serious conversation on an equal level, rather than hiding behind the power of anonymity to snipe.

You ask why I haven't disabled anonymous comments, then you answer the question yourself:
If I was to say something encouraging like 'why not join a rugby/rowing/whatever club in London, it's a great way to meet friends and/or occupy your time so you're not so lonely?', would you be calling me a coward? No, I doubt you would. You'd say 'thank you' and pretty much leave it at that.
Indeed I would leave it at that. I would think about what you had said, I probably wouldn't give much of a reply beyond thanks. In fact I am giving substantially more time and thought to your negative anonymous comments than any positive one I might get, and I would be less likely to take positive anonymous comments seriously than negative ones. You probably don't believe me, but then how would you know? I've never (that I can remember) had a positive totally anonymous comment. Trying to alledge someunknown behaviour on your part is, again, pretty disingenuous on your part.

You ask why I have anonymous posting enabled still. Well, surprisingly not to allow anonymous postings. Rather, because whilst I believe anyone who wishes to comment could quite easily get an account, I don't want to force that upon certain friends I know who don't want to have such accounts. But in return for allowing anonymous comments I trust people to show responsibility in signing their anonymous posts. That had failed in the past a few times, but my friends posted publicly in response. Now that trust of people reading my journal is being betrayed quite spectacularly, but am still not quite ready to allow you to 'win'. In fact, I do wish to justify myself and make my case, to respond to the original accusations. But as long as the original poster hides behind anonymity I cannot (I would guess any sort of evidence they put forward would immediately identify them, anyway).

I give people the right to post anonymously to my journal and it saddens me when people take that right without displaying the responsibility I believe should come with it. That's their choice. But in my view that reduces their credibility. If you disagree, fine.. but you do so, once again, in my eyes, from a position of reduced credibility.

[seren.livejournal.com]

good god, *how* much free time do you have?!

[typical.livejournal.com]

This is called 'What Niall does whilst Lotus Notes syncs' :)

Re:

[seren.livejournal.com]

I wasnt aiming at you though
:P

[typical.livejournal.com]

Rumours? I haven't seen any rumours. Only the postings of a ranting coward.

Perhaps people do have a misguided impression of me. I can't tell people what to think.

But no, I'm not scared of your opinions. Otherwise I'd have stopped anonymous posting. As it is, it's rather amusing.. maybe you'll become tiresome and I will at some point, but in the meantime people can talk freely to me (both in public and private) and decide for themselves about me. I see you're too scared to give people that opportunity.

[(Anonymous)]

ah well you see, its more fun if you don't know who I/we are, it is all the better for pissing you off :) which seems to be going quite nicely.

And this is not about anyone elses misguided impressions, its more about why you feel the need to be so two faced and hence cause people to have these impressions.

I really think this is a lost cause, so I won't go into more detail about what you have done to cause such a "following" the truth is that you have done nothing specific except live your life the way you choose, which has its merits, I just have high morals which you don't seem to be able to understand.

[typical.livejournal.com]

*shrug* you think posting abusive comments to someone's journal anonymously is having high morals? I think that says it all.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see whats morally wrong using a service to express ones opinions.

[typical.livejournal.com]

Then you can stand out on my comments page as someone too scared to identify themselves, who thinks it's perfectly morally acceptable to spout vitriolic hate, with no justification, and (you hope) no comeback for yourself.

*shrug*

[(Anonymous)]

you seem to have a great hangup on this annoninimity stuff, its really getting on your nerves that you don't know who it is isn't it?

besides putting a name to the postings would not be of any benefit. The points still stand valid no matter how fearful of their truth you are.

[typical.livejournal.com]

It's getting on my nerves you don't have the courage to face me properly, yes. It also saddens me that, if nothing else to stop me wasting time on you, I might have to disable anonymous comments.

The posts would be validated by an indication of who was writing them. Without one, they are valid only in your own mind, as trustworthy as graffiti.

And as I keep saying - post your name, and I will respond properly. I'm not afraid to face the points you make. I just won't to an anonymous coward.

[(Anonymous)]

Annonimity is good since it is already apparent that you are inciting your "fan club" to make me outcast and hence not dent your oh so precious reputation, I don't want to be frowned upon by your friends who I have no argument with.

[typical.livejournal.com]

So you ARE a coward - frightened you will be frowned upon because of how you feel towards me. Come now, even I don't think myself that important.

Of course, these people might laugh at your description of them as my "fan-club" - perhaps for their benefit you'd like to say exactly who they are? I think all of my friends are perfectly able to make up their own minds about what they're reading on here.

[(Anonymous)]

frightened is not really the word for it, worried that revealing my true identity would detract from the overall effect yes.

[typical.livejournal.com]

I don't think I have to add anything to this thread then. If your reputation really is that bad that you think you have more credibility posting anonymously, there's no point in continuing. And if that is not the case, we return to my last suggestion - that you are too cowardly to face the consequences of your words.

Goodnight.

[(Anonymous)]

did I mention you have a wonderful "smugness" quality aswell? ;)